Here is a link from ESPN about the games last night. Go Tarheels.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard
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Monday, March 30, 2009
Thursday, March 26, 2009
Ode To Chuck Wepner
If it wasn't for this man I would have never been able to enjoy all the Rocky movies, and either would you.
Chuck Wepner
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Chuck Wepner
Statistics
Real name Charles Wepner
Nickname(s) The Bayonne Brawler a.k.a The Bayonne Bleeder
Rated at Heavyweight
Nationality US American
Birth date February 26, 1939 (1939-02-26) (age 70)
Birth place New York City, New York, U.S.
Stance Orthodox
Boxing record
Total fights 51
Wins 35
Wins by KO 17
Losses 14
Draws 2
Chuck Wepner (born February 26, 1939) is a former heavyweight boxer from Bayonne, New Jersey.[1][2] As an obscure boxer who went 15 rounds with world heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali in a 1975 fight, Wepner has often been credited as the inspiration for Rocky Balboa.
Early career
Wepner, nicknamed "The Bayonne Bleeder," debuted as a professional boxer in 1964 and began posting many wins and some losses. He had formerly boxed while a member of the United States Marine Corps, and had worked as a security guard before turning pro.[3][4] He was the New Jersey State Heavyweight Boxing Champion and popular fighter in the Northeast's Club Boxing circuit. But after losing fights to George Foreman (by knockout in three) and Sonny Liston (by knockout in ten) many boxing fans thought that his days as a contender were numbered. After the fight with Liston, Wepner needed over 120 sutures in his face. He also lost a fight to Jose King Roman by a decision in Puerto Rico.
However, after losing to Joe Bugner by a knockout in three in England, Wepner won nine of his next eleven fights, including victories over Charlie Polite and former WBA Heavyweight champion Ernie Terrell.
Muhammad Ali fight
Then, in 1975, it was announced Wepner would challenge Muhammad Ali for the world's Heavyweight title. According to Time magazine ("In Stitches"), Ali was guaranteed $1.5 million and Wepner signed for $100,000.[citation needed] This was considerably more than Wepner had ever earned and therefore did not need any coaxing. Wepner spent eight weeks near the Catskill Mountains under the guidance of Al Braverman (manager) and Bill Prezant (trainer and noted cutman). Prezant prophesied that the fight would be a big surprise. This bout was the first time he had been able to train full time.[5] The fight was held on March 24 at the Richfield Coliseum, near Cleveland. Before the fight, a reporter asked Wepner if he thought he could survive in the ring with the champion, to which Wepner allegedly answered
“ I've been a survivor my whole life...if I survived the Marines, I can survive Ali. ”
The bout was promoted again by Don King who promised Ali the astonishing sum of $1.5 million. King was now firmly associated with Ali and a player on the heavyweight scene.
In the ninth round, Wepner landed a punch to Ali's chest and Ali was knocked down. Wepner went to his corner and said to his manager, "Hey, I knocked him down." "Yeah," Wepner's manager replied, "but he looks really pissed off now..."
In the remaining rounds, Ali opened up cuts above both Wepner's eyes and broke his nose. However, the far-behind-in-points Wepner made a dramatic comeback but lost in the final minutes.
Young actor Sylvester Stallone watched the fight at home on television and was inspired to write the script for Rocky, based on Wepner's gutsy challenge. Wepner would later sue Stallone three times (twice unsuccessfully) for a share of the profits. Stallone settled for an undisclosed amount in the third suit, having publicly stated that Wepner was his inspiration for the script. In 1976, Wepner fought professional wrestler André the Giant, similar to the way Rocky fought Thunderlips in Rocky III.
The "Real" Rocky
Wepner served as the inspiration for the character of Rocky Balboa in the film Rocky.[6] In 2003, Wepner filed a lawsuit against Sylvester Stallone for money supposedly owed to him for the Rocky movies. He has claimed that Stallone has used Wepner's name numerous times without permission when he talks about the inspiration for Rocky Balboa. Two of his other claims were dismissed by U.S. District Court judges, and Sylvester Stallone settled the latest claim out of court for an undisclosed amount. In a published interview by Jim Clash of Forbes, Wepner was questioned about his thoughts on Stallone. Wepner said he thought Stallone was a great actor and writer, and that he still considers Stallone a friend.
Career totals
Wepner had a record of 35 wins (17 of which were knockouts), 14 losses, and 2 draws.
Wepner was indicted in the FBI's sting, "Operation Bullpen", which nabbed millions of dollars worth of forged sports memorabilia. Wepner conspired with a friend to forge thousands of Muhammad Ali signatures which were distributed and sold all over the country. Wepner pleaded guilty to one charge of mail fraud, and received a plea deal which included probation, fines, and one day in jail
Longer NFL Season?
Goodell eyes season of 17-18
DANA POINT, Calif. -- More games that count, perhaps as early as August 2011? That's exactly what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants.
There are several hurdles before the league can expand its regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games. Among them is reaching a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.
Still, the commissioner hopes to present a proposal to the owners in May after the matter was discussed at length this week at the owners meetings.
"It's possible that we could vote in May, but we want to have core discussions on this," Goodell said Wednesday. "Anytime you have change, there is some reluctance. But it's clear we don't need four preseason games anymore."
Goodell said the league has not seriously discussed the subject with its broadcast partners. He couldn't imagine them not being interested in more meaningful games.
"I think the quality of NFL programming, that every one of our network partners would say, if they have the chance to have more regular-season programming, they'd be interested in it," Goodell said. "A key point is the fans also recognize players they want to see are not in those preseason games; that's why they are not attractive. They want to see those players play."
As for those players and their union, Goodell recognizes an expanded schedule will be part of CBA negotiations. Owners opted out of the current deal last year, and it expires after the 2010 schedule, which would be an uncapped season.
"Under the current agreement, additional regular-season games would not be covered," Goodell said. "I think our most important priority after we get done with our internal analysis is talking to our key partners, and that includes the players. I think we want to make sure that the right dialogue takes place before we make any final votes."
DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA's incoming executive director, wants any decision that affects the players to happen collaboratively.
"His hope is that the concerns and interests of the players will be seriously considered," said George Atallah, a director at the public relations firm Qorvis Communications and a spokesman for Smith during his transition. "He was elected by the players to be their advocate on such issues and is more than ready to serve them."
Among the issues team owners must discuss is when the regular season would begin; how many bye weeks would be scheduled; how deep into February the playoffs and Super Bowl would go; and when the offseason programs -- including the combine and the draft -- would be held.
Plus, where would the extra games be played, particularly with 17 of them?
One possibility, an idea Goodell and senior vice president of sales and marketing Mark Waller first mentioned several years ago, would be 17 neutral-site games, including some abroad. That would enable the league to step up its efforts internationally, a particular goal of Goodell's.
"There's been some discussion about that," Goodell said. "That's been one of the appealing features of converting preseason games into regular-season games is it gives you more inventory, more games that you can take to neutral sites, either internationally or domestically. So that is a compelling feature."
Another option would be having one conference play nine home games during a season, and the other conference do so the next year.
An 18-game schedule, obviously, would eliminate such concerns. It also would mean dropping two preseason contests.
"Fans don't believe preseason games are up to our standards," Goodell said.
Clearly, neither does he.
DANA POINT, Calif. -- More games that count, perhaps as early as August 2011? That's exactly what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants.
There are several hurdles before the league can expand its regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games. Among them is reaching a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.
Still, the commissioner hopes to present a proposal to the owners in May after the matter was discussed at length this week at the owners meetings.
"It's possible that we could vote in May, but we want to have core discussions on this," Goodell said Wednesday. "Anytime you have change, there is some reluctance. But it's clear we don't need four preseason games anymore."
Goodell said the league has not seriously discussed the subject with its broadcast partners. He couldn't imagine them not being interested in more meaningful games.
"I think the quality of NFL programming, that every one of our network partners would say, if they have the chance to have more regular-season programming, they'd be interested in it," Goodell said. "A key point is the fans also recognize players they want to see are not in those preseason games; that's why they are not attractive. They want to see those players play."
As for those players and their union, Goodell recognizes an expanded schedule will be part of CBA negotiations. Owners opted out of the current deal last year, and it expires after the 2010 schedule, which would be an uncapped season.
"Under the current agreement, additional regular-season games would not be covered," Goodell said. "I think our most important priority after we get done with our internal analysis is talking to our key partners, and that includes the players. I think we want to make sure that the right dialogue takes place before we make any final votes."
DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA's incoming executive director, wants any decision that affects the players to happen collaboratively.
"His hope is that the concerns and interests of the players will be seriously considered," said George Atallah, a director at the public relations firm Qorvis Communications and a spokesman for Smith during his transition. "He was elected by the players to be their advocate on such issues and is more than ready to serve them."
Among the issues team owners must discuss is when the regular season would begin; how many bye weeks would be scheduled; how deep into February the playoffs and Super Bowl would go; and when the offseason programs -- including the combine and the draft -- would be held.
Plus, where would the extra games be played, particularly with 17 of them?
One possibility, an idea Goodell and senior vice president of sales and marketing Mark Waller first mentioned several years ago, would be 17 neutral-site games, including some abroad. That would enable the league to step up its efforts internationally, a particular goal of Goodell's.
"There's been some discussion about that," Goodell said. "That's been one of the appealing features of converting preseason games into regular-season games is it gives you more inventory, more games that you can take to neutral sites, either internationally or domestically. So that is a compelling feature."
Another option would be having one conference play nine home games during a season, and the other conference do so the next year.
An 18-game schedule, obviously, would eliminate such concerns. It also would mean dropping two preseason contests.
"Fans don't believe preseason games are up to our standards," Goodell said.
Clearly, neither does he.
200th Post
This is my 200th post not alot but a reason to maybe celebrate and look back at all the good times and good posts. Alright that's long enough. I was thinking I should have a good post for my 200th but couldn't really think of anything cool. So this is what you get. A lame post wishing myself congrats on posting 200 lame posts. Yipeeeee. Ok back to work.
Wednesday, March 25, 2009
What a Nice Day
It finally felt nice outside with a forecast of freezing rain tonight. Seems like a typical north country day. Well ummm see ya.
Sunday, March 22, 2009
March Madness
March Madness has consumed me and is the culprit of the lack of posts. UNC kicking ass and in the sweet 16. Cuse plays today and hopefully can beat ASU. I wake up after a day of hitting softballs and almost going golfing to snow. God damn snow. It won't last but it kills the fact that our baseball team has to still be stuck in the gym. Why mother nature do you hate us up here WHY. Anyways ill be watching basketball all day then going to Doug's tonight for the live baseball draft. PEACE.
Wednesday, March 04, 2009
Pirates 2 Twins 1
Seriously I am not making this up the Pirates win again. They are 7-1 and still in contention for winning the Spring Training Championship. (Just incase anyone is confused there is no championship I am just a Pirate fan and look for something positve to root for every season.) Here is the recap from todays game. Gorzo only gave up 1 ER and 1 hit.
MIN (4-2) 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - -
PIT (6-1) 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 - 2 - -
Final
MINNESOTA (1) AT PITTSBURGH (2)
MINNESOTA AB R H BI PITTSBURGH AB R H BI
D Span rf 1 0 0 0 N Morgan lf 3 0 0 0
J Pridie rf 1 0 0 0 J Salazar lf 1 0 0 0
A Casilla 2b 3 0 1 0 F Sanchez 2b 3 0 0 0
S Tolleson 2b 1 0 0 0 S Ford 2b 1 0 0 0
D Young lf 2 0 0 0 N McLouth cf 3 0 1 0
L Matos lf 1 0 0 0 A McCutchen cf 0 0 0 0
M Cuddyer dh 3 0 1 0 R Doumit c 3 0 1 0
A Machado pr-dh 1 0 0 0 J Jaramillo c 0 0 0 0
B Buscher 1b 1 1 0 0 Ad LaRoche 1b 3 0 0 0
B Peterson 1b 2 0 0 0 A Phillips 1b 1 0 0 0
W Ramos c 2 0 1 1 C Monroe rf 3 0 2 0
J Christy c 0 0 0 0 G Jones rf 0 0 0 0
D Lehmann c 1 0 0 0 B Moss dh 3 1 1 0
C Gomez cf 1 0 1 0 An LaRoche 3b 2 1 1 2
D Martin cf 2 0 0 0 N Walker 3b 1 0 0 0
M Tolbert ss 3 0 0 0 J Wilson ss 3 0 0 0
T Plouffe ss 0 0 0 0 B Bixler ss 0 0 0 0
M Macri 3b 2 0 0 0
D Romero 3b 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 27 1 4 1 TOTALS 30 2 6 2
MINNESOTA 010 000 000 -- 1
PITTSBURGH 000 020 00x -- 2
E--M Macri. DP--MINNESOTA 1, PITTSBURGH 2.
LOB--MINNESOTA 6, PITTSBURGH 6. 2B--W Ramos, C
Monroe 2, B Moss. HR--An LaRoche 1 (1) (off R
Dickey). SB--A Machado 1 (2), C Gomez 1 (2), D
Span 1 (1), A McCutchen 1 (2). CS--D Romero. S--C
Gomez.
IP H R ER BB SO HR
MINNESOTA
F Liriano 3 2 0 0 0 2 0
R Dickey (L,0-1) 2 2 2 2 0 2 1
M Guerrier 1 2 0 0 0 1 0
C Breslow 1 0 0 0 0 2 0
J Mijares 1 0 0 0 2 0 0
PITTSBURGH
T Gorzelanny 2 1 1 1 2 1 0
C Bootcheck 2 1 0 0 1 2 0
S Burnett (W,2-0) 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
T Yates 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
C Hansen 1 0 0 0 1 1 0
J Mateo 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
E Meek (S,3) 1 0 0 0 0 2 0
HBP--D Young by T Gorzelanny. SO--MIN: M Tolbert
2, D Martin, D Lehmann, M Cuddyer, A Casilla. PIT:
Ad LaRoche 3, N Walker, J Salazar, C Monroe, N
McLouth. BB--MIN: D Span 2, D Romero, J Christy, B
Buscher. PIT: A McCutchen, J Jaramillo. T--2:24.
A--3,328.
MIN (4-2) 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - -
PIT (6-1) 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 - 2 - -
Final
MINNESOTA (1) AT PITTSBURGH (2)
MINNESOTA AB R H BI PITTSBURGH AB R H BI
D Span rf 1 0 0 0 N Morgan lf 3 0 0 0
J Pridie rf 1 0 0 0 J Salazar lf 1 0 0 0
A Casilla 2b 3 0 1 0 F Sanchez 2b 3 0 0 0
S Tolleson 2b 1 0 0 0 S Ford 2b 1 0 0 0
D Young lf 2 0 0 0 N McLouth cf 3 0 1 0
L Matos lf 1 0 0 0 A McCutchen cf 0 0 0 0
M Cuddyer dh 3 0 1 0 R Doumit c 3 0 1 0
A Machado pr-dh 1 0 0 0 J Jaramillo c 0 0 0 0
B Buscher 1b 1 1 0 0 Ad LaRoche 1b 3 0 0 0
B Peterson 1b 2 0 0 0 A Phillips 1b 1 0 0 0
W Ramos c 2 0 1 1 C Monroe rf 3 0 2 0
J Christy c 0 0 0 0 G Jones rf 0 0 0 0
D Lehmann c 1 0 0 0 B Moss dh 3 1 1 0
C Gomez cf 1 0 1 0 An LaRoche 3b 2 1 1 2
D Martin cf 2 0 0 0 N Walker 3b 1 0 0 0
M Tolbert ss 3 0 0 0 J Wilson ss 3 0 0 0
T Plouffe ss 0 0 0 0 B Bixler ss 0 0 0 0
M Macri 3b 2 0 0 0
D Romero 3b 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 27 1 4 1 TOTALS 30 2 6 2
MINNESOTA 010 000 000 -- 1
PITTSBURGH 000 020 00x -- 2
E--M Macri. DP--MINNESOTA 1, PITTSBURGH 2.
LOB--MINNESOTA 6, PITTSBURGH 6. 2B--W Ramos, C
Monroe 2, B Moss. HR--An LaRoche 1 (1) (off R
Dickey). SB--A Machado 1 (2), C Gomez 1 (2), D
Span 1 (1), A McCutchen 1 (2). CS--D Romero. S--C
Gomez.
IP H R ER BB SO HR
MINNESOTA
F Liriano 3 2 0 0 0 2 0
R Dickey (L,0-1) 2 2 2 2 0 2 1
M Guerrier 1 2 0 0 0 1 0
C Breslow 1 0 0 0 0 2 0
J Mijares 1 0 0 0 2 0 0
PITTSBURGH
T Gorzelanny 2 1 1 1 2 1 0
C Bootcheck 2 1 0 0 1 2 0
S Burnett (W,2-0) 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
T Yates 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
C Hansen 1 0 0 0 1 1 0
J Mateo 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
E Meek (S,3) 1 0 0 0 0 2 0
HBP--D Young by T Gorzelanny. SO--MIN: M Tolbert
2, D Martin, D Lehmann, M Cuddyer, A Casilla. PIT:
Ad LaRoche 3, N Walker, J Salazar, C Monroe, N
McLouth. BB--MIN: D Span 2, D Romero, J Christy, B
Buscher. PIT: A McCutchen, J Jaramillo. T--2:24.
A--3,328.
Tuesday, March 03, 2009
Pirates 5 Netherlands 4
Pirates win again in the spring. Guys let's save some win's for the regular season. Either way still going for the Spring Training Championship.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
NET 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 4 - -
PIT (5-1) 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 - 5 - -
Final
NETHERLANDS (4) AT PITTSBURGH (5)
NETHERLANDS AB R H BI PITTSBURGH AB R H BI
E Kingsale rf 4 1 1 0 A Machado ss 4 1 0 0
D Van Klooster rf 1 0 0 0 L Cruz 2b 1 1 1 0
S Schoop 2b 3 0 0 0 S Ford 2b 1 0 0 0
M Duursma ph-2b 1 0 1 0 P Lopez 2b 0 0 0 0
R Simon 1b 5 0 3 2 C Monroe dh 2 1 1 0
G Halman cf 3 1 2 1 S Lerud ph-dh 0 0 0 0
D Rombley cf 2 0 0 0 G Jones rf 4 1 2 3
S Adriana dh 5 0 1 0 P Alvarez 3b 4 0 0 0
Y de Caster 3b 3 0 0 0 A Phillips 1b 4 0 1 1
V Rooi 3b 1 0 0 0 J Salazar cf 4 1 1 1
B Engelhardt lf 3 0 1 0 R Gotay lf 1 0 0 0
C Smith lf 1 0 1 0 E Kratz c 1 0 0 0
K Jansen c 2 0 0 0 M Perez c 1 0 0 0
S de Jong c 2 0 1 0
H Statia ss 2 2 2 0
TOTALS 38 4 13 3 TOTALS 27 5 6 5
NETHERLANDS 100 110 001 -- 4
PITTSBURGH 202 000 01x -- 5
E--A Machado, P Alvarez, K Jansen.
DP--NETHERLANDS 2, PITTSBURGH 2. LOB--NETHERLANDS
10, PITTSBURGH 8. 2B--A Phillips, C Monroe, L
Cruz, H Statia. HR--J Salazar 1 (2) (off M van
Kampen), G Halman 1 (1) (off D Bautista). SB--E
Kratz 1 (1). S--H Statia.
IP H R ER BB SO HR
NETHERLANDS
S Ponson (L,0-1) 3 5 4 4 4 3 0
R Cordemans 2 0 0 0 2 2 0
D Neuman 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
D Markwell 1 0 0 0 1 1 0
M van Kampen 1 1 1 1 1 0 1
PITTSBURGH
R Ohlendorf (W,1-0) 2 4 1 1 0 0 0
M Capps 1 1 0 0 0 2 0
D Bautista 1 1 1 1 0 1 1
J Chavez 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
D Veal 1 1 0 0 0 3 0
R Sanchez 1 2 0 0 1 1 0
J Sues 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
D Haigwood (S,2) 1 2 1 1 1 2 0
WP--D Haigwood, S Ponson. HBP--S Lerud by D
Markwell. SO--: E Kingsale 3, B Engelhardt 2, Y de
Caster, S Adriana, G Halman, D Van Klooster, R
Simon. PIT: P Alvarez 2, A Machado, S Ford, A
Phillips, G Jones. BB--: M Duursma, H Statia. PIT:
R Gotay 3, E Kratz 2, A Machado, S Ford, P Lopez,
C Monroe. T--2:48. A--1,759.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
NET 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 4 - -
PIT (5-1) 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 - 5 - -
Final
NETHERLANDS (4) AT PITTSBURGH (5)
NETHERLANDS AB R H BI PITTSBURGH AB R H BI
E Kingsale rf 4 1 1 0 A Machado ss 4 1 0 0
D Van Klooster rf 1 0 0 0 L Cruz 2b 1 1 1 0
S Schoop 2b 3 0 0 0 S Ford 2b 1 0 0 0
M Duursma ph-2b 1 0 1 0 P Lopez 2b 0 0 0 0
R Simon 1b 5 0 3 2 C Monroe dh 2 1 1 0
G Halman cf 3 1 2 1 S Lerud ph-dh 0 0 0 0
D Rombley cf 2 0 0 0 G Jones rf 4 1 2 3
S Adriana dh 5 0 1 0 P Alvarez 3b 4 0 0 0
Y de Caster 3b 3 0 0 0 A Phillips 1b 4 0 1 1
V Rooi 3b 1 0 0 0 J Salazar cf 4 1 1 1
B Engelhardt lf 3 0 1 0 R Gotay lf 1 0 0 0
C Smith lf 1 0 1 0 E Kratz c 1 0 0 0
K Jansen c 2 0 0 0 M Perez c 1 0 0 0
S de Jong c 2 0 1 0
H Statia ss 2 2 2 0
TOTALS 38 4 13 3 TOTALS 27 5 6 5
NETHERLANDS 100 110 001 -- 4
PITTSBURGH 202 000 01x -- 5
E--A Machado, P Alvarez, K Jansen.
DP--NETHERLANDS 2, PITTSBURGH 2. LOB--NETHERLANDS
10, PITTSBURGH 8. 2B--A Phillips, C Monroe, L
Cruz, H Statia. HR--J Salazar 1 (2) (off M van
Kampen), G Halman 1 (1) (off D Bautista). SB--E
Kratz 1 (1). S--H Statia.
IP H R ER BB SO HR
NETHERLANDS
S Ponson (L,0-1) 3 5 4 4 4 3 0
R Cordemans 2 0 0 0 2 2 0
D Neuman 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
D Markwell 1 0 0 0 1 1 0
M van Kampen 1 1 1 1 1 0 1
PITTSBURGH
R Ohlendorf (W,1-0) 2 4 1 1 0 0 0
M Capps 1 1 0 0 0 2 0
D Bautista 1 1 1 1 0 1 1
J Chavez 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
D Veal 1 1 0 0 0 3 0
R Sanchez 1 2 0 0 1 1 0
J Sues 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
D Haigwood (S,2) 1 2 1 1 1 2 0
WP--D Haigwood, S Ponson. HBP--S Lerud by D
Markwell. SO--: E Kingsale 3, B Engelhardt 2, Y de
Caster, S Adriana, G Halman, D Van Klooster, R
Simon. PIT: P Alvarez 2, A Machado, S Ford, A
Phillips, G Jones. BB--: M Duursma, H Statia. PIT:
R Gotay 3, E Kratz 2, A Machado, S Ford, P Lopez,
C Monroe. T--2:48. A--1,759.
Monday, March 02, 2009
Pittsburgh Update
As we all know the Steelers are Super Bowl champs until next February. The Penguins as of today are the 8th seed in playoffs. The Pirates are 5-1 in spring training. Dammit if only spring training meant something. Even if the Pirates have a miserable season but if they have an awesome spring training and maybe even the best record in spring training i am counting that as a championship. Can the Pirates be the 2009 spring training MLB champions of the world? We will see.
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